Adam Cleaveland has an interesting post on what interfaith dialogue is and is not:
Many believe that it is a polite meeting where the depths of our respective faiths are set aside in the name of easy tolerance. But this is a misconception. Genuine encounter and dialogue is a meeting of the deepest levels of our respective faiths, where we bear witness to what of the spirit and of God has been given to us. This we do not for the sake of persuading the other that we are right and they are wrong, but for the sake of bearing witness to what each has experienced and knows of the One who is beyond. When we meet in this way, when the dialogue goes this deeply, then both parties can grow not only in their own faith but in their recognition of the validity of the other.” [quoting M. Darrol Bryant, Co-Editor of Muslim-Christian Dialogue: Promise & Problems]
Good to hear. I didn’t really see the point of sitting around and saying, as Cleave puts it, “Well, yah - I mean, I don’t really KNOW that Jesus is the only way, I mean, what’s good for you is good for you, and I guess, well…I’m not quite sure, why, but…yah, I mean…I kind of like Jesus, er…” I’m glad that’s not the kind of interfaith dialogue he’s talking about.
He then says that we must remain open to conversion when dialoguing with people of other faiths:
I think it is important to speak with conviction; but we must also enter into the dialogue with enough humility that we are open to a conversion experience, that we are open to learning more about truth, about the Divine and about Other’s encounters with the Divine. And it is only when we enter into this form of dialogue with our convictions, our beliefs, our differences, our distinctions, and amidst all of these, that we’re able to embrace the Other without diminishing their uniqueness in Creation. It is then that we are able to fully encounter the Other, and in doing so, encounter the Divine.
I think there’s a mix of good ideas and poppycock in here. On the one hand, I think we can certainly learn from people of other faiths. I respect the intellectual honesty that funds such dialogue. If we are committed to pursuing the truth, we must remain open to changing our beliefs to some extent. I’d certainly hope people of other faiths feel this way, because they’d have to in order to find faith in Jesus, and it’s not fair to demand that of others but not ourselves.
Now for the poppycock. I don’t think “encountering the other” is at all equivalent to encountering the divine. While this is certainly an interesting view of God’s omnipresence and incarnation, I don’t think it does justice to Christian monotheism. It is at this point that I’d like to draw on my recent study of Radical Orthodoxy.
When we say that other religions can teach us about the divine (which I am not capitalizing for reasons which will become clear in a moment), we are implying that God can be known (to some extent, at least) apart from his particular revelation and history with humankind. This is known as “natural theology“:
Natural theology is the knowledge of God accessible to all rational human beings without recourse to any special or supposedly supernatural revelation. The expression ‘natural theology‘ (theologia naturalis) seems to have been first used by Augustine with reference to the deepest theological insights of the classical philosophers. Natural theology (or natural religion) is theology based on reason and ordinary experience. Thus it is distinguished from revealed theology (or revealed religion) which is based on scripture and religious experiences of various kinds; and also from transcendental theology, theology from a priori reasoning (see Immanuel Kant et alia).
Thomas Aquinas believed that natural theology could serve as a foundation for revealed theology, though, suggesting that
there is an objective or neutral reason that determines the shape of truth concerning finite existence, [on the basis of which one can] attempt either to demonstrate Christianity’s consistency with this rational account (as in Bultmann and Tillich) or to demonstrate the truth of Christianity’s account by appealing to neutral principles of truth that are common to all humanity (as in classical apologetics). Smith, 157-158
Radical Orthodoxy suggests (insofar as “it” can suggest things) that natural theology is not a proper or adequate foundation for revealed theology. Natural theology may be able to tell us that God exists, but it cannot tell us what kind of God exists, or even what type of thing a god is. Brian McLaren, in Finding Faith, suggests that any kind of theism (especially monotheism) is better than atheism, because theism at least shares with Christianity the belief that God exists. Radical Orthodoxy points out granting the validity of a generalized theism has the effect of establishing philosophy as an automous and neutral discipline that can and should control the shape of our theology.
If I haven’t driven you away with my little head trip yet, hopefully I can connect this to the interfaith dialogue question. How much value is there in interfaith dialogue if we could gain the same insights from natural theology? If our worldviews, philosophies, epistemologies, and all that other stuff are based on completely different assumptions, what is there to gain?
It sounds like the main benefits are personal: you come to appreciate others more. You see that they aren’t idiots for believing differently from you. They may still be wrong, but you can’t write them off as morons. You come to appreciate the importance of religious freedom and a commitment to truth.
What do you think? Is interfaith dialogue worthwhile?



You make but do not substantiate an assumption here that I find unecessary (and a little arrogant): that God does not “reveal” himself to any other faith but Christianity. This is clearly not the case for at least one other faith (Judaism) and I cannot imagine why we shouldn’t believe it is true of all religions. If God does reveal himself personally to other faiths, then your argument falls apart, because what we can stand to learn from other faiths isn’t limited to “natural” theology.
I for one believe God attempts to reveal himself personally to all humans, to the degree that they will listen or seek him. I think this is a biblical belief, and it resonates with my own pre-Christian experience: God sought me long before I earnestly sought him (and long after, for that matter). Since I also believe that God will reveal aspects of himself that are appropriate for the audience, that means we stand to gain much insight about God from dialogue with persons of other cultures and faiths.
Good point. I hadn’t thought of that.
On the other hand, I’ve heard (and am tired of) the argument that all religions worship the same God, as if divinity could be established as a construct based on neutral philosophical principles. Scripture does not put it nearly so kindly, and has plenty to say about the gods of other religions.
Also, I don’t think it’s quite fair to equate God’s self-revelation to the Hebrew people with his self-revelation to people of other faiths. Strictly speaking, pre-Christ Judaism was not a separate religion if you ask Christians, but merely an earlier stage of the worship of the one true God.
Nevertheless, I can see the value of IFD from what you’ve said. Thanks.
virusdoc wrote:
You make but do not substantiate an assumption here that I find unecessary (and a little arrogant): that God does not “reveal” himself to any other faith but Christianity.
I’m not sure what you’re getting at. God’s revelation is not faith-restrictive. The revelation of himself in scripture is not only for Christians, but for all who will consider it.
However, from a Christian perspective, God has not revealed himself to other religions but what he has also revealed himself in the Christian Scriptures. Muslim’s, buhdists, etc. have no revelation from God that I as a Christian do not already have.
That being the case, can I learn anything from those of different faiths? Of course I can. They may have greater insights into God’s revealining himself via natural theology. Just because God has revealed himself in nature doesn’t mean that I’ve noticed.
I suppose the same could be said for revealed theology as well. And that would be the point of open dialogue with others who accept the same revelation of God as ourselves.
But if there is any dialogue regarding revealed theology with groups who accept as revelation something I do not (or visa versa), then there must also be persuation to accept or reject what the other accepts or rejects as revealed. Otherwise, what’s the point?
I agree; I think interfaith dialog is important, but not necessarily for the same reasons stated. Groups can certainly enter into dialog without being inclined or even open to conversion. That does not have to be a factor.
Learning to respect each other’s faith and each person’s right to possess faith for themselves can be the object and positive outcome of such talks. Gaining insight on how we can work together and best appropriate our resources for the common good of humanity, can be another aim while communicating with people’s of other religions.
We can be instructed by the fervor and worship of others. We can possibly learn liturgical aspects of another religion that can be implemented in our worship without doing insult to our faith.
Interfaith dialog represents harmony and peace. Religion will always be a factor in most any human endeavor or domain. Learning the ability to blend these into an amicable and positive relationship is what makes interfaith dialog important. And, as far Christianity is concerned, it should begin with ecumenicalism. If we can’t get along with people who worship God with the concept, then we will never be able to be successful outside our faith.
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Jesus had his mind changed by a person of another faith (Mark 7:24-30).
he didn’t give up what he believed, but because of their conversation his understanding of the realm of God was deepened.
i think that interfaith dialogue is having the courage and faith to follow Jesus’ example.
cheryl-
I think the Mark 7:24-30 story could also be read as Jesus rewarding persistence, as he mentioned on several other occasions, e.g. Luke 7:5-10.
Dad and virusdoc-
Perhaps we need a third category in addition to natural and revealed theology, since both tend to be less personal. We could also discuss “personal theological insights,” which may have been derived from life experience or from God’s revelation of himself to the individual.
I would be less suspicious of this type of dialogue, because it would suffer less from the “what’s the point?” question that the type Cleave describes. However, Cleave says it’s not really like that, so perhaps more discussion on this point is in order.
Doc-
To revisit the assumption you mentioned -
I guess my main problem with some approaches to IFD is that we see other faiths as worshipping the same God we do, but with some big misunderstandings. I think it’s admirable to admit that we have some misunderstandings too, but I don’t think it’s reasonable to think we can talk to people of other faiths to fill in whatever gaps exist in our understanding of God. We’re often not talking about the same God, the same telos, the same world, so any insights that cross all of those barriers are more anomaly than anything else.
The personal level, though, could be a lot more powerful than the “I represent my religion in this dialogue event” level of discussion. Have you ever noticed how you can have really great conversations for hours with someone you’ve never met before, yet we struggle to say five words to the people we know best? I think that dynamic may be at work in IFD.
I have grown weary and wary of any theology that is more than one degree of freedom awar from personal encounter with God. I spent too much of my life believing highly extracted and heavily finessed theological statements which had no practical grounding in my own experience. I’m not trying to devalue the importance of history in faith, but history alone–particularly history that has been codified in philosophical, generalized creeds–seems to divide more than unify and distract from the person of God more than draw us to him. So I agree with you that it is on this abstract theological level that IFD, just like intra-faith dialogue, tends to be counterproductive.
I have never been to an organized interfaith dialogue before, but I would be very interested to. However, I doubt that I could honestly enter into one thinking I would find out more about God. I may be very wrong, but I think I would just end up learning more about someone’s religion (which is in itself an honorable goal, and could be the “point” that Dad questioned). Then what makes an IFD any different than a world religions class? I believe it would be the personal element: finding out what a person’s religion means to them. This is, after all, what Jesus did very well: honestly interacting with people. He interacted with the person, not their faith or ethnicity. There is always something to be learned from Buddhism (that’s probably the fifteenth time that has been mispelled in these comments - sorry) if what you’re really learning about is an individual.
i believe that God is beyond all human attempts to understand - especially mine. I also think God can move beyond all religions, even the religion to which i am convicted and committed.
we probably disagree on that fundamental point (i won’t patronise you to try to convince you to my point of view - i hope you’ll do the same in return!)
I absolutely don’t think you should be part of an IFD if you don’t believe there is something of God’s truth in the other person, or that they might know something of God that you haven’t yet discovered. It wouldn’t be a dialogue.