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Show notes: This podcast is a few thoughts on hell. This is the book I referred to, which I’m going to pick up right now from UPS (who are smart enough to write me a postcard saying “your address doesn’t exist, so we couldn’t deliver your package,” then mail it to that supposedly non-existent address, where I received the postcard the next day).
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hey man, love the ‘casts. A suggestion: Is there any way you could start naming them something recognizable on the mp3-player screen? I dunno about that string of numbers. Kinda hard to find what I want when I’m scrolling through my extensive podcast playlist. Whattya say?
And when is Aaron gonna get involved in these things, now that he’s in the same house and everything? (Sounds like a fun place to be)
I haven’t read McLaren’s later yet…haven’t worked entirely through “Generous Orthodoxy” yet, but I think I’ve read all his other works. I understand that at least some of McLaren’s comments about hell are based on “The Fire that Consumes” by Edward Fudge, who I’m proud to call my friend. Edward’s work presents the technical version of what I’ll guess is McLaren’s popular side of the discussion. I’d recommend “The First that Consumes” and send my copy along with Aaron if he wants to borrow it.
Luke-
I’m quickly outgrowing the 5-minute maximum, too, so I think I may be changing techniques. I just got out the PC microphone.
Dick-
That would be great. I’ll probably start TLWATWAT some time this weekend.
i haven’t read Brian’s book either but I wrestled with this whole issue last year extensively. Publically on the old emergent discussion board which as far as i know has been removed. (if anyone knows if the old board at emergent village is still available i’d like to know cause there was a lot of good stuff there.)
ah HELL, the first question to ask is WHICH ONE? I think there are 7 in all but here’s just a few Gehenna, Hades, Tartaroo, Sheol.
Yes hell is a real place and if you have the plane fare you can go there and stand in it. It is and (was) a burning garbage dump outside of Jerusalem where trash and dead bodies were heaved. Jesus warnings about not ending up in “hell” had zip to do with anyone’s eternal afterlife destiny. it was a warning that judgement was coming in the form of the jewish war of the mid 60’s (AD 60’s) ending in AD 70 when the old temple system was taken out of the way.
In my view if death and hades are not dealt with then we are still under the law and the old covenant. John’s revelation of Jesus Christ is a done deal, which is a good thing, cause we now can live in the new jerusalem (god’s presence restored to humanity).
The problem with taking hell out of the religious systmes of our day is what motivation is left for believing on Christ? Well one just needs to find more worthy, lasting (not to mention true) reasons for following jesus. I’ve lived through the shift in thinking and can say that there is life after hell / judgment consciousness, in fact life becomes a lot sweeter when you’re not carrying around this notion that 90% of the people you rub shoulders with everyday are going to be tortured for all eternity.
Yes the medieval imagination was quite something eh? It’s incredible how long the mental construct has gone on. Glad to see some prominent authors are talking about it.
I’ve yet to actually read anything by Brian, aside from emails and articles. I agree that there is far too much repeating that goes on.
peace
Paul Seburn
Was looking for podcasts on Hell for thevoiz.com’s hell week. Reposted.